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Debating NFL Contracts: Potential vs. Proven Performance
Should NFL teams pay for potential or proven performance?" Join us as we confront the intense debates surrounding NFL contracts. From the controversial guaranteed deals of stars like Deshaun Watson to the intricate financial strategies behind Trevor Lawrence's recent extension, we pull no punches. As we navigate the frustrations of allegations against players and the risks teams face with injury-prone investments, you'll hear passionate arguments and insights that redefine how you think about these high-stakes decisions.
Is Trevor Lawrence worth his record-breaking $275 million deal? We scrutinize his performance over the past three years, comparing him to other elite quarterbacks such as Josh Allen. Through a blend of skepticism and business acumen, we question whether the Jaguars made a smart move or set themselves up for future regret. This analysis gets to the heart of what it means to invest in potential versus proven talent in the high-octane world of professional football.
Explore the nuances of quarterback ratings and coaching decisions, and how they shape a team's destiny. We discuss the performances of quarterbacks like Mahomes, Purdy, Prescott, and Cousins, dissecting stats and coaching calls that can make or break a season. To wrap up, we touch on the fascinating interplay between AI, social media, and gambling, sharing a compelling story about gamblers saving tip money for bets. Whether you're a die-hard football fan or just intrigued by the business of sports, this episode offers a multifaceted discussion packed with insights, anecdotes, and thought-provoking debates.
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Yeah, episode with Dan Cianci, host of the Daily American Podcast. We're going to pick it up where part two ended. Thank you for listening and enjoy.
Speaker 1:And then they all get together. Let's get this guy. It's fucked up.
Speaker 2:Well, because if this girl's on there and this girl's on there, she say she just saw Deshawn, somebody else will say, hey, I just saw him too. Let's link up and say he took advantage of us. Now other girls fucking pile on A lot of times. He's got settled.
Speaker 1:They all come out of the woodwork right.
Speaker 2:I hate the pile on woodwork. Shit, you're a fucking adult.
Speaker 1:Kick a man when he's down. Another one comes out of the woodwork.
Speaker 3:Shit and then they try to figure out how can they avoid that contract. He's behind and he's like one of the top highest paid quarterbacks in the league, right.
Speaker 2:And it's a guaranteed contract. I think all of them. I think he's like fifth or sixth?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think all of them are guaranteed.
Speaker 3:if I'm not mistaken, he was benched what?
Speaker 1:four games last year, and then he came back and sunk. Or did he not even get a chance to start again?
Speaker 3:Well, he got hurt, right, didn't he hurt his?
Speaker 1:shoulder yeah, I think you're right he was suspended for like four.
Speaker 2:Then he came back, got hurt and then came back at the end or something like that, right? So that's two years in a row, he got hurt yeah, and stroud's, stroud's good, stroud's real good yeah that money guarantee. When you're paying somebody guaranteed money you got to to play them. Can't have somebody sitting on your bench making all that money.
Speaker 3:You know what I mean. Well, that's the conversation we're going to have. We're going to do an all-sports podcast, too, with him, and you know how this works. Now, man, I'm on your side. What you was talking about, what we were talking about on Twitter, about Trevor Lawrence Trevor Lawrence, I'm on your side. But you know, with this day and age man, they signed you to a contract for potential, not the stats that you did before. And if it ain't him, who?
Speaker 2:else. I don't care about the who else, because I would rather pay a rookie or a young guy chump change than pay a guy that's a third-year starter that got a losing record. That ain't do shit. You know what I mean? Now Trevor Lawrence is now the highest-paid player in the NFL, not until, well, what are you talking about Right now? Now, somebody else signed another contract Right now Trevor Lawrence but he hasn't done shit. He got more interceptions than touchdowns. He ain't win no playoff games.
Speaker 1:He ain't throw no money. He won the one against the Chargers. That was it, chargers right. One playoff game, yeah, I believe. Remember they were down like 28-0? The comeback game. I had the Chargers in that game too, and, of course, look what happens.
Speaker 3:The comeback game.
Speaker 2:Yeah, what I'm saying is they had weapons around him. Extend his contract. You didn't have to extend him First off. He's under contract.
Speaker 3:No, they extended it, but I wonder if he had a good year this year.
Speaker 2:He's been a starter for three years now, right, Okay?
Speaker 3:let's just say he'll have a good year this year. You know the contract is going to be more than what they paid him, right?
Speaker 2:Was he on his last?
Speaker 3:leg of his contract. I think he may have. It might have been this season. If it wasn't this season, it may be the next season.
Speaker 2:All I know is they didn't have to resign.
Speaker 3:No, they didn't Extend them, like you said.
Speaker 2:Extend them and make them the highest paid player. Now, right, you got these fucking dudes that won championships, that fucking dominate the league and these guys making more than you.
Speaker 3:Okay, he have a good season. Right, that contract is going to be more than what they just paid him, so the so the Jaguars got off easy, would you agree?
Speaker 2:No, why wouldn't you agree to that? Because even if you have a good year, that's only one year and four.
Speaker 3:Jalen Hurts had just a good season and they paid.
Speaker 2:That's a big age difference. That's not even the same thing. Jalen Hurts only been a star for two years. This guy been a star for three years.
Speaker 3:Oh, a year difference.
Speaker 2:And Jalen Hurts got you to a fucking second round.
Speaker 3:yet but he still had a bad year this year. Every year is a bad year.
Speaker 2:He had one solid year out of his three years Like look at the numbers. I sent you the numbers.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I've seen the numbers. These numbers are trash. I'm on your side, but I'm saying that in this day and age of NFL football, they're going to sign a quarterback.
Speaker 2:I understand what you're saying, what they're doing.
Speaker 3:What I'm saying is what I wouldn't have done then you wouldn't be there too long because the the owner is going to say you could assign him for less less. You could have extended his contract for less money than what we're going to have to pay him now. Now you talking about paying somebody so what have you paid him?
Speaker 2:and made him the highest paid now and his money is guaranteed and he stink up the rest of the way, the next six years. Now you're still on the hook for that money. For six years you can go, but wait, you're saying what if he have his breakout year? Right, what if he don't? Okay, I'm not taking that game can't they dump them?
Speaker 1:they can dump them all.
Speaker 3:Of it has a guarantee, wait, wait wait, wait.
Speaker 1:See, this is the thing. I don't understand all the contractual shit and I need to learn this stuff. But you're saying how much is he guaranteed? Like $200-something million and the entire contract's what?
Speaker 3:I don't think he's guaranteed that much. You can pull it up.
Speaker 1:All right. So say he's guaranteed $100 million and it's a $200 million contract. They can dump him and get rid of the $100 million. But regardless, they can dump him today and they still got to pay the $100 million. They can't push that off to the next person, they can't negotiate it.
Speaker 2:You can make a deal with another team to say we'll pay part of the salary. Can y'all pick up the other shit like that? You can do something like that if another team really want them.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's getting paid regardless. But another team could pick up that money if you're really good at fucking selling them. But he's got to be willing to Right cap space and all that. I don't understand any of it. I never got into it. I never fantasy, I don't do.
Speaker 2:But Well, what the cap space is? They had to do that that way. The richer teams can't just buy all the best players, the cowboys can't.
Speaker 3:It's like the Yankees how the Yankees used to get all the time.
Speaker 1:Don't they still do that?
Speaker 3:Is it a salary cap in baseball or?
Speaker 1:I don't think so.
Speaker 3:Okay, well, look at the Phillies Right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they grabbed all those guys and they're killing it right now.
Speaker 3:Yep, I don't really want to talk much about the Phillies because our Philly team they either start off bad and at the end come good, like they did last season. This year they starting off good.
Speaker 1:That ain't good.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:It's not good. Yeah, I got you.
Speaker 3:So that's what they always do. All our Philadelphia teams, all the Philly teams, always do that.
Speaker 1:I'm a Steelers fan. By the way, we were Steelers why? Basically, my pops was born in Italy and he grew up from nine years old. He grew up in an orphanage over there until nine and then at nine he was adopted over here and his adopted father worked at the country steel mill. They got that big steelers emblem, yeah I think that's what did it.
Speaker 2:He's a contract once once a contract is a five-year extension for 275 million. That makes him the highest paid player in the nfl. 200 million is guaranteed. That's a lot. You know what I'm For a dude that ain't proved himself yet he's probably top 14.
Speaker 3:Okay, but if it ain't him, who else I don't give a shit who else.
Speaker 2:I would grab a fucking rookie or a backup that's in the league right now. Until I find that rookie, that's going to be good enough Shit.
Speaker 1:call Blaine Gabbert back up. No.
Speaker 3:I understand it. I no, I wouldn't. I understand it, I wouldn't have done it, but I understand it.
Speaker 2:That's the whole point. See, you're understanding it. I understand the league and how shit goes. What?
Speaker 1:are his stats? Can you tell me his stats? Please tell me his stats, because I gotta see how he's real strong on this one. He must know these stats.
Speaker 2:This guy. I pulled him off the Roy Because.
Speaker 1:I just wanted to know, I'm sure.
Speaker 2:Lawrence, trevor Lawrence, be on some bullshit.
Speaker 1:Now are you going three years or just last year?
Speaker 2:I looked at all his years.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:But let me see, was we talking in the feed or was it like one-on-one?
Speaker 3:That's what you're looking up now. That was in the feed, if it's going to take.
Speaker 2:His contract is for 275. Yep, but I guess if he hit All his fucking incentives it could be 282. That's a lot of fucking money 200 million guaranteed and 142 million Is guaranteed at signing. As soon as he signed that shit, oh my god, so they already gave him 142 million.
Speaker 1:That's the way you gotta. His agent Knows what they're doing.
Speaker 2:He's a fucking man, right? Yeah, yup, I don't know where Did you say it was in a feed, or?
Speaker 3:Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, it should be there Because you brought. You brought up the stats.
Speaker 1:Or a rough estimate or whatever. Is he that big Cause? Look at Allen. Like Allen Allen, he's obviously top what three.
Speaker 2:Try not to put up big numbers.
Speaker 1:Josh, josh, josh. Yeah, yeah, I don't see it over here. He puts up big numbers. He's probably top three, if not top two. Right, you got Mahomes him. Who else Burrow? He gets hurt? Who else you got? I mean, the quarterbacks are like tough nowadays.
Speaker 2:Just because it's tough to find a good one, don't mean you gotta pay your fucking average when the highest paid contract Well you don't know if he's average yet or not. His numbers say he's average. So far he's average. Well, how old is he?
Speaker 1:Well, he did how many years at Clemson? He did four. He's probably like 25, 25.
Speaker 2:He'll be 25 this year. Alright, so he played 3 years. His career record Is 20 wins, 30 losses.
Speaker 3:Damn.
Speaker 2:His first year he was 3 wins, 14 losses. The next year he was 9 and 8, and then last year he was 8 and 8. Damn, he was only 8 and 8 last year His completion percentage First year was 59%, the next year was 66%, the next year was 65%, the next year was 65%.
Speaker 1:The average is what like? 68%, 69%.
Speaker 2:The average should be around 65% 66%.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so he's completing some passes, but go ahead.
Speaker 2:Total yards 3,600 the first year. Second year 4,100. Last year 4,000. Touchdowns His first year he had 12 touchdowns, 17 interceptions. Led the league first year. Second year he had 25 touchdowns, eight interceptions. Last year he had 21 touchdowns, 14 interceptions he's digressing after that second year his quarterback rating was 71 the first year. The next year was 95 and then last year it was 88.
Speaker 1:That's total QBR.
Speaker 2:No, that was his rating.
Speaker 1:His.
Speaker 2:QBR was 39 his first year and then 56 the last two. He played two playoff games. He won one and he lost one. Completion percentage 60. Five touchdowns, five interceptions.
Speaker 3:That was that game, I think what was that last year.
Speaker 2:That just says two games yeah 2022.
Speaker 3:That was the game that you were talking about when he threw all the interceptions, but it came back on one.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so his numbers are like fucking trash the numbers ain't really trash.
Speaker 3:That's not trash numbers.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, no, no, that sounds trash.
Speaker 3:No, to me that's like middle of the road Pull up.
Speaker 1:CJ Stroud. He's younger. Pull up CJ Stroud.
Speaker 2:What I'm saying is he played 50 games and only won 20. That's trash.
Speaker 3:No, it's not.
Speaker 1:What does that entail? 20 and 30? That means you're a loser.
Speaker 3:The Jaguars has already had a bad team anyway. Your quarterback Okay, so the Jaguars probably have a better defense.
Speaker 1:Last year they were stacked Travis Etienne, they got.
Speaker 3:Calvin Ridley. He got hurt with the 8-8.
Speaker 2:8-8,. No, if he didn't play, they wouldn't have it over here. No, he played. He got hurt. He played 16 games out of 17. Right, he played majority of the games.
Speaker 3:I don't hear bad stats.
Speaker 2:There are bad stats.
Speaker 3:What do you see? That's bad.
Speaker 2:I just told you His 1% is bad.
Speaker 3:1% is bad.
Speaker 2:There's a whole team Interceptions to touchdowns. That's the team. No, he's the quarterback. He's throwing these touchdowns. Qbr should be in the 80s no you brought up the record, that's the team. This is a win-loss record. As a starter, the team, the team game, not him. It don't matter. You can say that for anything, the bottom line is those games he started. He only won 20 out of the 50 games he started.
Speaker 3:But the team is bad. Has Jaguars ever had a good team?
Speaker 2:Like my man just said, he got weapons around him. You need to make it work, but has Jaguars ever had a good team? I'm not trying to hear that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they did they. I'm not trying to hear that. Yeah, they did they did. When they beat the Steelers in the playoffs not too long ago, who the hell was their quarterback? Some bum Brunel, brunel, they were real good Brunel and Fred Taylor. That was like 94. Curtis Martin Was Curtis Martin on that team.
Speaker 3:Once you find your elite quarterback he's supposed the team with Trevor Lawrence on the team. Did he win you a couple of games just for Trevor Lawrence?
Speaker 1:Here's the question how many times has he been sacked? If he hasn't been sacked that much, then that all falls on him. If his O-line's trash okay.
Speaker 2:So his first year he got sacked 32 times. The next year he got sacked 27. Then the last year, 35.
Speaker 1:But what's the I don't know, the I don't know like how to compare? Is that a lot? I mean, I don't know who gets sacked, the fucking lot Our quarterback Ah there you go. Yeah, like how many Jalen Hurts have.
Speaker 2:Who did you want me to compare him to CJ?
Speaker 1:Yeah, cj Stroud yeah.
Speaker 2:He's already got a higher ceiling trajectory than Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 1:He does Good quarterbacks also make weapons around him. Look at CJ Shire. He made some weapons around him. He does Like Rodgers Rodgers, always making a weapon around him when he's actually playing.
Speaker 2:I don't like his attitude sometimes, but he's all right. So CJ Shire, his quarterback record is 9-6 as a starter.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's a rookie. He was just a rookie last year. Okay, okay, maybe bad comparison, because he's brand new.
Speaker 2:Yeah, 23 touchdowns, five interceptions that one year is already better than all three of what's-his-name's years it is yeah.
Speaker 3:Is the team better? He's making it better Okay that's true.
Speaker 1:The Texans made the playoffs.
Speaker 2:Right, so the Texans. The Texans made the playoffs. They won a playoff game. The Texans is better than Jaguars.
Speaker 1:The quarterback rating was 100.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean? 100, yeah, that's like good, that's like the best quarterbacks.
Speaker 1:Right, I think the top is 118.
Speaker 2:You want to be like 90 or above, probably even higher than that.
Speaker 1:Probably 95 or better. That's the max I think, right, I don't know. A quarterback rating. Yeah, is it or no?
Speaker 2:Perfect rating, what is it like? 158 or something? Oh, it's up there. It's up there, but not for a season. Nobody has that perfect rating for a season, but, like you said, 118, that would probably lead the league.
Speaker 1:You know what? I? Yeah, he's young too. He's short too, isn't he? Wasn't he just getting shit for his height, or nothing?
Speaker 3:No, you're talking about the Carolina Panthers. What's the Carolina Panthers quarterback name?
Speaker 2:That's who you're talking about?
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, who is?
Speaker 3:it. I forget his name. That's who you're talking about, and they said he couldn't see over the offensive line.
Speaker 1:He's not doing too good, though right Did he couldn't see over the offensive?
Speaker 3:line. He's not doing too good, though right Did he get hurt? I think he may have gotten hurt last year, I'm not sure.
Speaker 1:Who's coming out of the draft? You guys got to keep me up on this.
Speaker 3:I'm not really big on college football. I always just ask him who's good and not See.
Speaker 2:I don't like this because they got some bullshit here. I want the quarterback ratings who led the league, but they got these guys that didn't throw enough passes to qualify. You got a receiver over here. That's bullshit. You should stick to the legit quarterbacks, alright. So Where's this guy at here? What are we looking at?
Speaker 1:You said ratings, yeah just to see who led the league, or whatever. If I had to guess, I would say who won last year Mahomes again.
Speaker 2:Mason Rudolph had the top rating Get the fuck out of here At 118. He called it 118, but how many games did he play, mason Rudolph?
Speaker 1:That don't count, because he only played four games, yeah, but this quarterback rating doesn't mean anything you got.
Speaker 2:Purdy. Let's say Purdy would be number one.
Speaker 1:Okay, at 113.
Speaker 2:Dak Prescott 105. Cousins 103. Lamar Jackson 102. Tua 101. Stroud 100.
Speaker 1:What is making these guys low interceptions?
Speaker 2:Well, you get your rating from a combination of everything. You complete your percentage, your yards, your touchdowns, your interceptions.
Speaker 3:What do they divide it?
Speaker 2:by.
Speaker 3:I don't know how they like determine it. I think they take the number, they divide it by something I can't remember.
Speaker 1:It's just crazy. I haven't heard Allen or Mahomes Hold on, and you got all these other scrubs up there, so let me tell you where they at.
Speaker 2:Mahomes quarterback rating is 92.
Speaker 3:And what's Javion Love's?
Speaker 2:Love is 96. Okay.
Speaker 3:Who's that?
Speaker 2:Uh Packers.
Speaker 3:Oh Jordan Love. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Javion, you're making up names Shit. Jalen Hurst was 89. And Trevor Lawrence was 88. Oh boy.
Speaker 3:Huh.
Speaker 1:So who's the worst Out of the 32?
Speaker 3:And he got money too right the worst quarterback on.
Speaker 1:there is Mason Rudolph, that's for sure you talking about starters. Yeah, I guess the top 32. You talking about Bryce?
Speaker 2:Young. I see him all the time, bryce Young is the quarterback.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he can't see over the line.
Speaker 2:Zach Wilson.
Speaker 1:Bum Jones.
Speaker 2:Jones.
Speaker 1:Jones, who's Jones? Mike Jones. Jones, for the Patriots oh not, jacoby Jones, mac Jones, mac Jones, he's a bum too yeah, what's the other stat?
Speaker 2:we were looking at s Sacks. You wanted to see who got sacked the most, because what did he? Get sacked 27 times or 35 times.
Speaker 1:Yeah, a decent amount. So what is that? That's like twice a game, that's not too much.
Speaker 2:So Zach Purdy literally getting sacked at 72.
Speaker 1:70. Damn.
Speaker 2:Brock Purdy, brock Purdy.
Speaker 1:And look at that dude, the Niners. A terrible offensive line, it seems like.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Dak Prescott 72.
Speaker 3:Goodness gracious.
Speaker 2:Allen 69. Lamar Jackson 64. Herbert 64. Matt Stafford 63. Cousins 63. Pat Mahomes 63. So this dude got sacked 35 times. He's not even on the high end of getting sacked.
Speaker 3:They just want some bullshit. That's different because most of those quarterbacks are running quarterbacks and that's different because most of those quarterbacks are running quarterbacks and they can say it like that Purdy Dak.
Speaker 2:Those are not runners. Purdy don't run, he's not a runner, he's not a running quarterback.
Speaker 1:Occasionally, he'll take off for 30. I've seen it, but he's not a running quarterback.
Speaker 2:No, go ahead, go ahead, dak Prescott. He's not a running quarterback.
Speaker 3:Nah, he's not.
Speaker 1:I'd say he averages less than 15 yards.
Speaker 2:Like Lamar and Allen, you caught him running quarterbacks.
Speaker 3:Mahomes, mahomes, mahomes.
Speaker 1:He's a pocket passer, but he definitely takes off, and when he takes off he does damage.
Speaker 2:Justin Herbert, Matt Stafford Cousins. Those are not running quarterbacks, no, but they're up there and getting sacks.
Speaker 1:Man Herbert, that guy costs me so much money. Man that coach Staley so much money. I like the Chargers. I like them on paper. I always bet them the past few years.
Speaker 2:He had too many good teams to not be better. You know what I mean. Like too many weapons around him and not pulling these wins up and putting points on the board. That's crazy.
Speaker 1:Herbert, or Staley Herbert. Yeah, but the coaching. On this one, I'm telling you the coaching had a lot to do with this. He's this young-ass dude. Probably has no leadership capabilities, making the worst fucking calls ever, going for it when they can kick the field goal like just the dumbest shit ever and costing them even in the playoffs.
Speaker 2:There's always a coach that you'll see that think they're better than with the normal route. I'm going You're in the field goal range in a close game. You kick the field goal. You don't go for it on fourth down. You know what I mean.
Speaker 3:And they'd be like yeah.
Speaker 2:They'd be like fourth and one.
Speaker 3:I'm going for it.
Speaker 2:Kick that fucking field goal. If they get it, they say oh the balls, the moxie, get the fuck out of here.
Speaker 1:Take the field goal, because if you don't get it, you haven't even won a playoff game yet and you let your team, like your team's, not motivated, to go kick their fucking ass in the second half. It's a leadership issue. They're lackadaisical. They don't give a fuck. Obviously they're just going to pull the brakes off or it's fixed.
Speaker 2:One or the other. Well shit, look at the guy for the. Who was that? The Falcons? What was they up 28 points at halftime. Still lose to the Patriots come on fucking throw the ball. Talk about the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1:Oh my God, Mattie Ith, oh my fucking God, this dude man.
Speaker 2:He's throwing pick sixes. Why is he even throwing the ball? You're up by 28. Run the fucking ball. Only throw it short if you have to. You know what I mean. And they fucking blew that game.
Speaker 1:I swear to God, I called that one and I bet it this way too Patriots win the game, but they lose the first half. That's what I bet that.
Speaker 2:That's great and it makes you think the game is rigged, like what the fuck is this coach doing? Then he turned around and blew it again. Who was he now with the 49ers? He turned around and did the same dumb shit yeah wait, wait, wait.
Speaker 1:Who was the coach?
Speaker 2:I think Shanahan. Yeah, is that the one with the rare skins? Kyle, shanahan, him and his pop was with the rare skins. Yes, yeah, that's who it is. He did some dumb shit last year, was he the coach?
Speaker 3:or was he like the coordinator Of the Atlanta and he was the offensive coordinator?
Speaker 2:And he was calling the plays and shit. You know what I mean. You're calling all these passes getting fucked up, getting your quarterback fucked up when you got a 28-point lead.
Speaker 1:Sometimes I wonder if they just pick these players right. I wouldn't say LeBron being one in the NBA. He's a phenomenal stature. He's really good at basketball. He's definitely not a Kobe and he's not a anyway. He shouldn't be talked about with the GOAT. But that's neither here nor there. When it comes to Brady, you ever think that they just pick these guys. But that's neither here nor there. When it comes to like Brady, you ever think that, like, they just pick these guys. Like a good underdog story drafted last. They love that shit and Seattle like you know, the Seattle.
Speaker 1:Super Bowl. That was it he was done.
Speaker 3:Give the ball to Lynch, but they throw a pick or they'll pick a guy and this guy can't fail, and I think the next guy that's coming up, what I was just talking about, is Peyton Manning's nephew. Archie, archie Jr, I think he's going to be on commercials and all that stuff when he gets in the NFL. And that guy, they're going to put him in a position where he can't fail, because look at his lineage.
Speaker 1:Yeah. But another good thing about that kid he doesn't participate in anything. Social media Nothing. I swear to God. If it wasn't for trying to do something a little bit with the podcast, I'm off social media too. Done Because it doesn't do anything good for you except if you're trying to build something. That's it. I utilize it as a tool and I utilize it like an asshole sometimes, but that kid's smart. No, social media, no.
Speaker 2:For now, until so he make it to the league and then people get in his ears and say this is how we're going to blow you up. You want to make more money doing social media, doing more commercials? I guarantee you are there any?
Speaker 1:stars who don't do social? Let's think, are there any ones? Does kairi participate a lot? Who kairi? I know he does like his, his uh, I'm a kairi fan but I know know he does like his low-key like protesting with his sneakers and shit. I respect it. He can do whatever the fuck, he wants with his sneakers. Put anything on there, as long as it's not hating on somebody and I don't think he's not a hater. They just they take him and they misconstrue what he says his messages.
Speaker 2:They do want to turn him into a bad guy, and he's not really like that. You know what?
Speaker 1:like that Anti-Semitic and shit. Nah, he's just a genius, he can look at multiple perspectives and sometimes he can't articulate that and it may come off bad.
Speaker 2:Going back to what you just said about, lebron shouldn't be in Go Conversation. That's bullshit, no fucking way. No way. The dude played 20 years at a high level. No one ever done it. That alone nobody's supposed to break Kareem's record. He broke Kareem's record and everybody said he's not even a scorer, he's a pass-first guy. That alone puts you in a GOAT circle, not saying you is the GOAT.
Speaker 1:He's number one in scoring ever. Yes, how many years did he play 21,? I think, how far off from Jordan? Jordan's not second, no, I know, but how far off is he compared to years played? How many years did Jordan play?
Speaker 2:15 or something.
Speaker 1:That's five extra years, I bet he.
Speaker 2:But Jordan's last two years was bullshit, Like he wasn't dominating.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but the league? What with the Wizards?
Speaker 2:Yes, he wasn't dominating. Of course that's his thing, yeah, he wasn't. So after 13 years, jordan was done, but LeBron after 21 years, he still gets.
Speaker 1:You gotta remember, though he took a couple years off.
Speaker 2:That should go against him actually, because those are years. His body is rusted. That's like our boy in the NFL. He played baseball, though. Ricky Williams took off from the NFL and then came right back and was in the top five in rushing to get him. Because that's wear and tear on your body. It's easy. Baseball don't have the same wear and tear as NFL I mean NBA On your knees and shit and your fucking feet.
Speaker 1:Was he playing pro or just he was like in the minor leagues?
Speaker 2:He wasn't a Deion. Deion played actual like playoff baseball. Deion Bo Jackson, they was pros Bo Jackson yeah.
Speaker 1:Those were big time.
Speaker 2:I got a bunch of their back there too, do you?
Speaker 1:I just sold an AI Rookie cards, ai signature one, because I don't know, I just like selling shit on eBay.
Speaker 2:I got a LeSean McCoy signed a rookie card, but he's a big kid and it's probably not going to be worth nothing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's tough with somebody like that, but if you had a Jordan I remember having them when I was younger my dad must have pawned all those, or something.
Speaker 2:I got Jordan cards, but I don't have nothing signed. I just got the Eagles from when I was a kid.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but if you got good Jordan cards and they're like if you have a Jordan rookie, you're eating.
Speaker 3:All right, dan, we can talk forever too.
Speaker 1:I know, I know, I know, I know, this doesn't really seem like a podcast.
Speaker 3:That was just us talking.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, that's how I like to do it too, and it seems like you guys do too.
Speaker 3:So what's your social media All?
Speaker 1:right. So I got it's going to be at Daily American Podcast. That's Instagram and then my podcast website's going to be dailyamericanpodcastcom and you know we're going to have to get this up on the website one way or another. Some of these episodes, but yeah, some traffic comes through, people listen through there, but it's not doing anything. No crazy numbers. I think, like you know, a couple thousand people reach hold on for a second.
Speaker 3:I think Phillip wanted to say something about the all time leaders of scoring. I knew that's what you were doing. Well, he asked You're the king of stats. That's why.
Speaker 2:I'm giving you props. Stats don't lie. It's fucking official. There's no made-up shit with people. He's better than him. Well, the stats say otherwise. This is just scoring.
Speaker 1:That's what you asked. Yeah, but how many times is he shooting? You know there's so many variables.
Speaker 3:Well, if that's the case, kobe Bryant is shooting. Kobe Bryant is shooting, god damn.
Speaker 1:Kobe's number four. Kobe gets some more bonus points because he's you know, he's up there Because he's a gunner.
Speaker 2:Because he's upstairs, because he's a gunner. Oh, you're showing him love because he's upstairs. The dude is a gunner.
Speaker 1:You better come back.
Speaker 2:I used to always tell Roy.
Speaker 1:Oh, and I got these drones on.
Speaker 3:I used to always tell Roy I like the Kobe's dad. What's the Kobe's dad of Kagan Clark, where those are fives or sixes? The Bruce Lee's?
Speaker 1:I honestly don't know, I just know that they look decent on her.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but I used to always say Kobe is nothing but a taller version of AI. Yeah, Because they shoot the ball 30 times to get you 30 points. That's like so inefficient.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean? Yeah, but the excitement behind AI, he may have been one of the most exciting players ever to step foot on a court.
Speaker 2:But he wasn't a winner. His team, who do you have?
Speaker 3:I'm going with his team. Shit Boy, you got it, Eddie. I will say the same thing.
Speaker 1:Yo, you know what else about AI 14, 14 years old, rode my biker, walked to the car wash, first job on paper W-2. And he comes through, him and Dikembe Mutombo came through because it's right there in the main line, near the Philly Country Club. There was a car wash right there. You know where I'm talking about, right where the Wawa's at in West Country Hocking. You go over the bridge right there. So Duke's Firehose it was called. So he rolls through in a Rolls Royce, I think a Phantom, and he's in the back seat suicide doors. He's got a Red Chiefs hat on with a white do-rag. He opens the door to say something I dried his car off, you know, probably saying like door jams or something Didn't tip. Dikembe slides through in a yellow H2. There's a 16 or year old girl. You couldn't tell she looked older, but he did tip and he got her number. Those are my two stories about those guys.
Speaker 2:A lot of people say AI just was a jerk and didn't tip people.
Speaker 1:See, that's crazy. He's a gambler too, man, you gotta know about karma. You gotta know about karma.
Speaker 2:That've got to know about karma. That's why he wasn't tipping, because he was like fuck that I can use this tip money to gamble.
Speaker 3:Now go ahead, dave. Finish your social media before Phil pays.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, that's pretty much it. Just Instagram and Facebook you can find me. Either are my name too, dan Cianci, I kind of, and both from the same thing, and that's pretty much it. My email info at dailyamericanpodcastcom.
Speaker 3:All right, you can reach the Judgementals on Facebook, tiktok, Twitter at P&L Judgementals, instagram at the200scoresjudgmentals, or you can email us at pnljudgmentals at gmailcom. Sorry, yes, I remembered all that. I've done it a hundred times.
Speaker 1:I just want to thank you guys for having me on today. Seriously, it's been a pleasure.
Speaker 2:Yeah, this was cool.
Speaker 3:Good catching up, man, yeah because it didn't really seem like it. It was just us talking pretty much and we ain't even getting like half of anything bro.
Speaker 1:No, we got to do some more. I think we got to do some more.
Speaker 3:We should go to the studio here. The studio ran out of corn, I don't know how much it is. I'm tired of recording this song.
Speaker 2:I'm video recording, Alright then Alright, y'all Peace out.
