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Debating NFL Contracts: Potential vs. Proven Performance
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Should NFL teams pay for potential or proven performance?" Join us as we confront the intense debates surrounding NFL contracts. From the controversial guaranteed deals of stars like Deshaun Watson to the intricate financial strategies behind Trevor Lawrence's recent extension, we pull no punches. As we navigate the frustrations of allegations against players and the risks teams face with injury-prone investments, you'll hear passionate arguments and insights that redefine how you think about these high-stakes decisions.
Is Trevor Lawrence worth his record-breaking $275 million deal? We scrutinize his performance over the past three years, comparing him to other elite quarterbacks such as Josh Allen. Through a blend of skepticism and business acumen, we question whether the Jaguars made a smart move or set themselves up for future regret. This analysis gets to the heart of what it means to invest in potential versus proven talent in the high-octane world of professional football.
Explore the nuances of quarterback ratings and coaching decisions, and how they shape a team's destiny. We discuss the performances of quarterbacks like Mahomes, Purdy, Prescott, and Cousins, dissecting stats and coaching calls that can make or break a season. To wrap up, we touch on the fascinating interplay between AI, social media, and gambling, sharing a compelling story about gamblers saving tip money for bets. Whether you're a die-hard football fan or just intrigued by the business of sports, this episode offers a multifaceted discussion packed with insights, anecdotes, and thought-provoking debates.
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Yeah, episode with Dan Cianci, host of the Daily American Podcast. We're going to pick it up where part two ended. Thank you for listening and enjoy.
Speaker 1And then they all get together. Let's get this guy. It's fucked up.
Speaker 2Well, because if this girl's on there and this girl's on there, she say she just saw Deshawn, somebody else will say, hey, I just saw him too. Let's link up and say he took advantage of us. Now other girls fucking pile on A lot of times. He's got settled.
Speaker 1They all come out of the woodwork right.
Speaker 2I hate the pile on woodwork. Shit, you're a fucking adult.
Speaker 1Kick a man when he's down. Another one comes out of the woodwork.
Speaker 3Shit and then they try to figure out how can they avoid that contract. He's behind and he's like one of the top highest paid quarterbacks in the league, right.
Speaker 2And it's a guaranteed contract. I think all of them. I think he's like fifth or sixth?
Speaker 1Yeah, I think all of them are guaranteed.
Speaker 3if I'm not mistaken, he was benched what?
Speaker 1four games last year, and then he came back and sunk. Or did he not even get a chance to start again?
Speaker 3Well, he got hurt, right, didn't he hurt his?
Speaker 1shoulder yeah, I think you're right he was suspended for like four.
Speaker 2Then he came back, got hurt and then came back at the end or something like that, right? So that's two years in a row, he got hurt yeah, and stroud's, stroud's good, stroud's real good yeah that money guarantee. When you're paying somebody guaranteed money you got to to play them. Can't have somebody sitting on your bench making all that money.
Speaker 3You know what I mean. Well, that's the conversation we're going to have. We're going to do an all-sports podcast, too, with him, and you know how this works. Now, man, I'm on your side. What you was talking about, what we were talking about on Twitter, about Trevor Lawrence Trevor Lawrence, I'm on your side. But you know, with this day and age man, they signed you to a contract for potential, not the stats that you did before. And if it ain't him, who?
Speaker 2else. I don't care about the who else, because I would rather pay a rookie or a young guy chump change than pay a guy that's a third-year starter that got a losing record. That ain't do shit. You know what I mean? Now Trevor Lawrence is now the highest-paid player in the NFL, not until, well, what are you talking about Right now? Now, somebody else signed another contract Right now Trevor Lawrence but he hasn't done shit. He got more interceptions than touchdowns. He ain't win no playoff games.
Speaker 1He ain't throw no money. He won the one against the Chargers. That was it, chargers right. One playoff game, yeah, I believe. Remember they were down like 28-0? The comeback game. I had the Chargers in that game too, and, of course, look what happens.
Speaker 3The comeback game.
Speaker 2Yeah, what I'm saying is they had weapons around him. Extend his contract. You didn't have to extend him First off. He's under contract.
Speaker 3No, they extended it, but I wonder if he had a good year this year.
Speaker 2He's been a starter for three years now, right, Okay?
Speaker 3let's just say he'll have a good year this year. You know the contract is going to be more than what they paid him, right?
Speaker 2Was he on his last?
Speaker 3leg of his contract. I think he may have. It might have been this season. If it wasn't this season, it may be the next season.
Speaker 2All I know is they didn't have to resign.
Speaker 3No, they didn't Extend them, like you said.
Speaker 2Extend them and make them the highest paid player. Now, right, you got these fucking dudes that won championships, that fucking dominate the league and these guys making more than you.
Speaker 3Okay, he have a good season. Right, that contract is going to be more than what they just paid him, so the so the Jaguars got off easy, would you agree?
Speaker 2No, why wouldn't you agree to that? Because even if you have a good year, that's only one year and four.
Speaker 3Jalen Hurts had just a good season and they paid.
Speaker 2That's a big age difference. That's not even the same thing. Jalen Hurts only been a star for two years. This guy been a star for three years.
Speaker 3Oh, a year difference.
Speaker 2And Jalen Hurts got you to a fucking second round.
Speaker 3yet but he still had a bad year this year. Every year is a bad year.
Speaker 2He had one solid year out of his three years Like look at the numbers. I sent you the numbers.
Speaker 3Yeah, I've seen the numbers. These numbers are trash. I'm on your side, but I'm saying that in this day and age of NFL football, they're going to sign a quarterback.
Speaker 2I understand what you're saying, what they're doing.
Speaker 3What I'm saying is what I wouldn't have done then you wouldn't be there too long because the the owner is going to say you could assign him for less less. You could have extended his contract for less money than what we're going to have to pay him now. Now you talking about paying somebody so what have you paid him?
Speaker 2and made him the highest paid now and his money is guaranteed and he stink up the rest of the way, the next six years. Now you're still on the hook for that money. For six years you can go, but wait, you're saying what if he have his breakout year? Right, what if he don't? Okay, I'm not taking that game can't they dump them?
Speaker 1they can dump them all.
Speaker 3Of it has a guarantee, wait, wait wait, wait.
Speaker 1See, this is the thing. I don't understand all the contractual shit and I need to learn this stuff. But you're saying how much is he guaranteed? Like $200-something million and the entire contract's what?
Speaker 3I don't think he's guaranteed that much. You can pull it up.
Speaker 1All right. So say he's guaranteed $100 million and it's a $200 million contract. They can dump him and get rid of the $100 million. But regardless, they can dump him today and they still got to pay the $100 million. They can't push that off to the next person, they can't negotiate it.
Speaker 2You can make a deal with another team to say we'll pay part of the salary. Can y'all pick up the other shit like that? You can do something like that if another team really want them.
Speaker 1Yeah, he's getting paid regardless. But another team could pick up that money if you're really good at fucking selling them. But he's got to be willing to Right cap space and all that. I don't understand any of it. I never got into it. I never fantasy, I don't do.
Speaker 2But Well, what the cap space is? They had to do that that way. The richer teams can't just buy all the best players, the cowboys can't.
Speaker 3It's like the Yankees how the Yankees used to get all the time.
Speaker 1Don't they still do that?
Speaker 3Is it a salary cap in baseball or?
Speaker 1I don't think so.
Speaker 3Okay, well, look at the Phillies Right.
Speaker 1Yeah, they grabbed all those guys and they're killing it right now.
Speaker 3Yep, I don't really want to talk much about the Phillies because our Philly team they either start off bad and at the end come good, like they did last season. This year they starting off good.
Speaker 1That ain't good.
Speaker 3Yeah.
Speaker 1It's not good. Yeah, I got you.
Assessing Trevor Lawrence's Performance
Speaker 3So that's what they always do. All our Philadelphia teams, all the Philly teams, always do that.
Speaker 1I'm a Steelers fan. By the way, we were Steelers why? Basically, my pops was born in Italy and he grew up from nine years old. He grew up in an orphanage over there until nine and then at nine he was adopted over here and his adopted father worked at the country steel mill. They got that big steelers emblem, yeah I think that's what did it.
Speaker 2He's a contract once once a contract is a five-year extension for 275 million. That makes him the highest paid player in the nfl. 200 million is guaranteed. That's a lot. You know what I'm For a dude that ain't proved himself yet he's probably top 14.
Speaker 3Okay, but if it ain't him, who else I don't give a shit who else.
Speaker 2I would grab a fucking rookie or a backup that's in the league right now. Until I find that rookie, that's going to be good enough Shit.
Speaker 1call Blaine Gabbert back up. No.
Speaker 3I understand it. I no, I wouldn't. I understand it, I wouldn't have done it, but I understand it.
Speaker 2That's the whole point. See, you're understanding it. I understand the league and how shit goes. What?
Speaker 1are his stats? Can you tell me his stats? Please tell me his stats, because I gotta see how he's real strong on this one. He must know these stats.
Speaker 2This guy. I pulled him off the Roy Because.
Speaker 1I just wanted to know, I'm sure.
Speaker 2Lawrence, trevor Lawrence, be on some bullshit.
Speaker 1Now are you going three years or just last year?
Speaker 2I looked at all his years.
Speaker 1Okay.
Speaker 2But let me see, was we talking in the feed or was it like one-on-one?
Speaker 3That's what you're looking up now. That was in the feed, if it's going to take.
Speaker 2His contract is for 275. Yep, but I guess if he hit All his fucking incentives it could be 282. That's a lot of fucking money 200 million guaranteed and 142 million Is guaranteed at signing. As soon as he signed that shit, oh my god, so they already gave him 142 million.
Speaker 1That's the way you gotta. His agent Knows what they're doing.
Speaker 2He's a fucking man, right? Yeah, yup, I don't know where Did you say it was in a feed, or?
Speaker 3Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, it should be there Because you brought. You brought up the stats.
Speaker 1Or a rough estimate or whatever. Is he that big Cause? Look at Allen. Like Allen Allen, he's obviously top what three.
Speaker 2Try not to put up big numbers.
Speaker 1Josh, josh, josh. Yeah, yeah, I don't see it over here. He puts up big numbers. He's probably top three, if not top two. Right, you got Mahomes him. Who else Burrow? He gets hurt? Who else you got? I mean, the quarterbacks are like tough nowadays.
Speaker 2Just because it's tough to find a good one, don't mean you gotta pay your fucking average when the highest paid contract Well you don't know if he's average yet or not. His numbers say he's average. So far he's average. Well, how old is he?
Speaker 1Well, he did how many years at Clemson? He did four. He's probably like 25, 25.
Speaker 2He'll be 25 this year. Alright, so he played 3 years. His career record Is 20 wins, 30 losses.
Speaker 3Damn.
Speaker 2His first year he was 3 wins, 14 losses. The next year he was 9 and 8, and then last year he was 8 and 8. Damn, he was only 8 and 8 last year His completion percentage First year was 59%, the next year was 66%, the next year was 65%, the next year was 65%.
Speaker 1The average is what like? 68%, 69%.
Speaker 2The average should be around 65% 66%.
Speaker 1Yeah, so he's completing some passes, but go ahead.
Speaker 2Total yards 3,600 the first year. Second year 4,100. Last year 4,000. Touchdowns His first year he had 12 touchdowns, 17 interceptions. Led the league first year. Second year he had 25 touchdowns, eight interceptions. Last year he had 21 touchdowns, 14 interceptions he's digressing after that second year his quarterback rating was 71 the first year. The next year was 95 and then last year it was 88.
Speaker 1That's total QBR.
Speaker 2No, that was his rating.
Speaker 1His.
Speaker 2QBR was 39 his first year and then 56 the last two. He played two playoff games. He won one and he lost one. Completion percentage 60. Five touchdowns, five interceptions.
Speaker 3That was that game, I think what was that last year.
Speaker 2That just says two games yeah 2022.
Speaker 3That was the game that you were talking about when he threw all the interceptions, but it came back on one.
Speaker 2Yeah, so his numbers are like fucking trash the numbers ain't really trash.
Speaker 3That's not trash numbers.
Speaker 1No, no, no, no, no, that sounds trash.
Speaker 3No, to me that's like middle of the road Pull up.
Speaker 1CJ Stroud. He's younger. Pull up CJ Stroud.
Speaker 2What I'm saying is he played 50 games and only won 20. That's trash.
Speaker 3No, it's not.
Speaker 1What does that entail? 20 and 30? That means you're a loser.
Speaker 3The Jaguars has already had a bad team anyway. Your quarterback Okay, so the Jaguars probably have a better defense.
Speaker 1Last year they were stacked Travis Etienne, they got.
Speaker 3Calvin Ridley. He got hurt with the 8-8.
Speaker 28-8,. No, if he didn't play, they wouldn't have it over here. No, he played. He got hurt. He played 16 games out of 17. Right, he played majority of the games.
Speaker 3I don't hear bad stats.
Speaker 2There are bad stats.
Speaker 3What do you see? That's bad.
Speaker 2I just told you His 1% is bad.
Speaker 31% is bad.
Speaker 2There's a whole team Interceptions to touchdowns. That's the team. No, he's the quarterback. He's throwing these touchdowns. Qbr should be in the 80s no you brought up the record, that's the team. This is a win-loss record. As a starter, the team, the team game, not him. It don't matter. You can say that for anything, the bottom line is those games he started. He only won 20 out of the 50 games he started.
Speaker 3But the team is bad. Has Jaguars ever had a good team?
Speaker 2Like my man just said, he got weapons around him. You need to make it work, but has Jaguars ever had a good team? I'm not trying to hear that.
Speaker 1Yeah, they did they. I'm not trying to hear that. Yeah, they did they did. When they beat the Steelers in the playoffs not too long ago, who the hell was their quarterback? Some bum Brunel, brunel, they were real good Brunel and Fred Taylor. That was like 94. Curtis Martin Was Curtis Martin on that team.
Speaker 3Once you find your elite quarterback he's supposed the team with Trevor Lawrence on the team. Did he win you a couple of games just for Trevor Lawrence?
Speaker 1Here's the question how many times has he been sacked? If he hasn't been sacked that much, then that all falls on him. If his O-line's trash okay.
Speaker 2So his first year he got sacked 32 times. The next year he got sacked 27. Then the last year, 35.
Speaker 1But what's the I don't know, the I don't know like how to compare? Is that a lot? I mean, I don't know who gets sacked, the fucking lot Our quarterback Ah there you go. Yeah, like how many Jalen Hurts have.
Speaker 2Who did you want me to compare him to CJ?
Speaker 1Yeah, cj Stroud yeah.
Speaker 2He's already got a higher ceiling trajectory than Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 1He does Good quarterbacks also make weapons around him. Look at CJ Shire. He made some weapons around him. He does Like Rodgers Rodgers, always making a weapon around him when he's actually playing.
Speaker 2I don't like his attitude sometimes, but he's all right. So CJ Shire, his quarterback record is 9-6 as a starter.
Speaker 1Yeah, he's a rookie. He was just a rookie last year. Okay, okay, maybe bad comparison, because he's brand new.
Speaker 2Yeah, 23 touchdowns, five interceptions that one year is already better than all three of what's-his-name's years it is yeah.
Speaker 3Is the team better? He's making it better Okay that's true.
Speaker 1The Texans made the playoffs.
Speaker 2Right, so the Texans. The Texans made the playoffs. They won a playoff game. The Texans is better than Jaguars.
Speaker 1The quarterback rating was 100.
Speaker 2You know what I mean? 100, yeah, that's like good, that's like the best quarterbacks.
Speaker 1Right, I think the top is 118.
Speaker 2You want to be like 90 or above, probably even higher than that.
Speaker 1Probably 95 or better. That's the max I think, right, I don't know. A quarterback rating. Yeah, is it or no?
Speaker 2Perfect rating, what is it like? 158 or something? Oh, it's up there. It's up there, but not for a season. Nobody has that perfect rating for a season, but, like you said, 118, that would probably lead the league.
Speaker 1You know what? I? Yeah, he's young too. He's short too, isn't he? Wasn't he just getting shit for his height, or nothing?
Speaker 3No, you're talking about the Carolina Panthers. What's the Carolina Panthers quarterback name?
Speaker 2That's who you're talking about?
Speaker 1Oh yeah, who is?
Speaker 3it. I forget his name. That's who you're talking about, and they said he couldn't see over the offensive line.
Speaker 1He's not doing too good, though right Did he couldn't see over the offensive?
Speaker 3line. He's not doing too good, though right Did he get hurt? I think he may have gotten hurt last year, I'm not sure.
Speaker 1Who's coming out of the draft? You guys got to keep me up on this.
Quarterback Ratings and Coaching Decisions
Speaker 3I'm not really big on college football. I always just ask him who's good and not See.
Speaker 2I don't like this because they got some bullshit here. I want the quarterback ratings who led the league, but they got these guys that didn't throw enough passes to qualify. You got a receiver over here. That's bullshit. You should stick to the legit quarterbacks, alright. So Where's this guy at here? What are we looking at?
Speaker 1You said ratings, yeah just to see who led the league, or whatever. If I had to guess, I would say who won last year Mahomes again.
Speaker 2Mason Rudolph had the top rating Get the fuck out of here At 118. He called it 118, but how many games did he play, mason Rudolph?
Speaker 1That don't count, because he only played four games, yeah, but this quarterback rating doesn't mean anything you got.
Speaker 2Purdy. Let's say Purdy would be number one.
Speaker 1Okay, at 113.
Speaker 2Dak Prescott 105. Cousins 103. Lamar Jackson 102. Tua 101. Stroud 100.
Speaker 1What is making these guys low interceptions?
Speaker 2Well, you get your rating from a combination of everything. You complete your percentage, your yards, your touchdowns, your interceptions.
Speaker 3What do they divide it?
Speaker 2by.
Speaker 3I don't know how they like determine it. I think they take the number, they divide it by something I can't remember.
Speaker 1It's just crazy. I haven't heard Allen or Mahomes Hold on, and you got all these other scrubs up there, so let me tell you where they at.
Speaker 2Mahomes quarterback rating is 92.
Speaker 3And what's Javion Love's?
Speaker 2Love is 96. Okay.
Speaker 3Who's that?
Speaker 2Uh Packers.
Speaker 3Oh Jordan Love. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2Javion, you're making up names Shit. Jalen Hurst was 89. And Trevor Lawrence was 88. Oh boy.
Speaker 3Huh.
Speaker 1So who's the worst Out of the 32?
Speaker 3And he got money too right the worst quarterback on.
Speaker 1there is Mason Rudolph, that's for sure you talking about starters. Yeah, I guess the top 32. You talking about Bryce?
Speaker 2Young. I see him all the time, bryce Young is the quarterback.
Speaker 1Yeah, he can't see over the line.
Speaker 2Zach Wilson.
Speaker 1Bum Jones.
Speaker 2Jones.
Speaker 1Jones, who's Jones? Mike Jones. Jones, for the Patriots oh not, jacoby Jones, mac Jones, mac Jones, he's a bum too yeah, what's the other stat?
Speaker 2we were looking at s Sacks. You wanted to see who got sacked the most, because what did he? Get sacked 27 times or 35 times.
Speaker 1Yeah, a decent amount. So what is that? That's like twice a game, that's not too much.
Speaker 2So Zach Purdy literally getting sacked at 72.
Speaker 170. Damn.
Speaker 2Brock Purdy, brock Purdy.
Speaker 1And look at that dude, the Niners. A terrible offensive line, it seems like.
Speaker 2Yeah, Dak Prescott 72.
Speaker 3Goodness gracious.
Speaker 2Allen 69. Lamar Jackson 64. Herbert 64. Matt Stafford 63. Cousins 63. Pat Mahomes 63. So this dude got sacked 35 times. He's not even on the high end of getting sacked.
Speaker 3They just want some bullshit. That's different because most of those quarterbacks are running quarterbacks and that's different because most of those quarterbacks are running quarterbacks and they can say it like that Purdy Dak.
Speaker 2Those are not runners. Purdy don't run, he's not a runner, he's not a running quarterback.
Speaker 1Occasionally, he'll take off for 30. I've seen it, but he's not a running quarterback.
Speaker 2No, go ahead, go ahead, dak Prescott. He's not a running quarterback.
Speaker 3Nah, he's not.
Speaker 1I'd say he averages less than 15 yards.
Speaker 2Like Lamar and Allen, you caught him running quarterbacks.
Speaker 3Mahomes, mahomes, mahomes.
Speaker 1He's a pocket passer, but he definitely takes off, and when he takes off he does damage.
Speaker 2Justin Herbert, Matt Stafford Cousins. Those are not running quarterbacks, no, but they're up there and getting sacks.
Speaker 1Man Herbert, that guy costs me so much money. Man that coach Staley so much money. I like the Chargers. I like them on paper. I always bet them the past few years.
Speaker 2He had too many good teams to not be better. You know what I mean. Like too many weapons around him and not pulling these wins up and putting points on the board. That's crazy.
Speaker 1Herbert, or Staley Herbert. Yeah, but the coaching. On this one, I'm telling you the coaching had a lot to do with this. He's this young-ass dude. Probably has no leadership capabilities, making the worst fucking calls ever, going for it when they can kick the field goal like just the dumbest shit ever and costing them even in the playoffs.
Speaker 2There's always a coach that you'll see that think they're better than with the normal route. I'm going You're in the field goal range in a close game. You kick the field goal. You don't go for it on fourth down. You know what I mean.
Speaker 3And they'd be like yeah.
Speaker 2They'd be like fourth and one.
Speaker 3I'm going for it.
Speaker 2Kick that fucking field goal. If they get it, they say oh the balls, the moxie, get the fuck out of here.
Speaker 1Take the field goal, because if you don't get it, you haven't even won a playoff game yet and you let your team, like your team's, not motivated, to go kick their fucking ass in the second half. It's a leadership issue. They're lackadaisical. They don't give a fuck. Obviously they're just going to pull the brakes off or it's fixed.
Speaker 2One or the other. Well shit, look at the guy for the. Who was that? The Falcons? What was they up 28 points at halftime. Still lose to the Patriots come on fucking throw the ball. Talk about the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1Oh my God, Mattie Ith, oh my fucking God, this dude man.
Speaker 2He's throwing pick sixes. Why is he even throwing the ball? You're up by 28. Run the fucking ball. Only throw it short if you have to. You know what I mean. And they fucking blew that game.
Speaker 1I swear to God, I called that one and I bet it this way too Patriots win the game, but they lose the first half. That's what I bet that.
Speaker 2That's great and it makes you think the game is rigged, like what the fuck is this coach doing? Then he turned around and blew it again. Who was he now with the 49ers? He turned around and did the same dumb shit yeah wait, wait, wait.
Speaker 1Who was the coach?
Speaker 2I think Shanahan. Yeah, is that the one with the rare skins? Kyle, shanahan, him and his pop was with the rare skins. Yes, yeah, that's who it is. He did some dumb shit last year, was he the coach?
Speaker 3or was he like the coordinator Of the Atlanta and he was the offensive coordinator?
Speaker 2And he was calling the plays and shit. You know what I mean. You're calling all these passes getting fucked up, getting your quarterback fucked up when you got a 28-point lead.
Speaker 1Sometimes I wonder if they just pick these players right. I wouldn't say LeBron being one in the NBA. He's a phenomenal stature. He's really good at basketball. He's definitely not a Kobe and he's not a anyway. He shouldn't be talked about with the GOAT. But that's neither here nor there. When it comes to Brady, you ever think that they just pick these guys. But that's neither here nor there. When it comes to like Brady, you ever think that, like, they just pick these guys. Like a good underdog story drafted last. They love that shit and Seattle like you know, the Seattle.
Speaker 1Super Bowl. That was it he was done.
Speaker 3Give the ball to Lynch, but they throw a pick or they'll pick a guy and this guy can't fail, and I think the next guy that's coming up, what I was just talking about, is Peyton Manning's nephew. Archie, archie Jr, I think he's going to be on commercials and all that stuff when he gets in the NFL. And that guy, they're going to put him in a position where he can't fail, because look at his lineage.
Speaker 1Yeah. But another good thing about that kid he doesn't participate in anything. Social media Nothing. I swear to God. If it wasn't for trying to do something a little bit with the podcast, I'm off social media too. Done Because it doesn't do anything good for you except if you're trying to build something. That's it. I utilize it as a tool and I utilize it like an asshole sometimes, but that kid's smart. No, social media, no.
Speaker 2For now, until so he make it to the league and then people get in his ears and say this is how we're going to blow you up. You want to make more money doing social media, doing more commercials? I guarantee you are there any?
Speaker 1stars who don't do social? Let's think, are there any ones? Does kairi participate a lot? Who kairi? I know he does like his, his uh, I'm a kairi fan but I know know he does like his low-key like protesting with his sneakers and shit. I respect it. He can do whatever the fuck, he wants with his sneakers. Put anything on there, as long as it's not hating on somebody and I don't think he's not a hater. They just they take him and they misconstrue what he says his messages.
Speaker 2They do want to turn him into a bad guy, and he's not really like that. You know what?
Speaker 1like that Anti-Semitic and shit. Nah, he's just a genius, he can look at multiple perspectives and sometimes he can't articulate that and it may come off bad.
Speaker 2Going back to what you just said about, lebron shouldn't be in Go Conversation. That's bullshit, no fucking way. No way. The dude played 20 years at a high level. No one ever done it. That alone nobody's supposed to break Kareem's record. He broke Kareem's record and everybody said he's not even a scorer, he's a pass-first guy. That alone puts you in a GOAT circle, not saying you is the GOAT.
Speaker 1He's number one in scoring ever. Yes, how many years did he play 21,? I think, how far off from Jordan? Jordan's not second, no, I know, but how far off is he compared to years played? How many years did Jordan play?
Speaker 215 or something.
Speaker 1That's five extra years, I bet he.
Speaker 2But Jordan's last two years was bullshit, Like he wasn't dominating.
Speaker 1Yeah, but the league? What with the Wizards?
Speaker 2Yes, he wasn't dominating. Of course that's his thing, yeah, he wasn't. So after 13 years, jordan was done, but LeBron after 21 years, he still gets.
Speaker 1You gotta remember, though he took a couple years off.
Speaker 2That should go against him actually, because those are years. His body is rusted. That's like our boy in the NFL. He played baseball, though. Ricky Williams took off from the NFL and then came right back and was in the top five in rushing to get him. Because that's wear and tear on your body. It's easy. Baseball don't have the same wear and tear as NFL I mean NBA On your knees and shit and your fucking feet.
Speaker 1Was he playing pro or just he was like in the minor leagues?
Speaker 2He wasn't a Deion. Deion played actual like playoff baseball. Deion Bo Jackson, they was pros Bo Jackson yeah.
Speaker 1Those were big time.
Speaker 2I got a bunch of their back there too, do you?
Speaker 1I just sold an AI Rookie cards, ai signature one, because I don't know, I just like selling shit on eBay.
Speaker 2I got a LeSean McCoy signed a rookie card, but he's a big kid and it's probably not going to be worth nothing.
Speaker 1Yeah, it's tough with somebody like that, but if you had a Jordan I remember having them when I was younger my dad must have pawned all those, or something.
Speaker 2I got Jordan cards, but I don't have nothing signed. I just got the Eagles from when I was a kid.
Speaker 1Yeah, but if you got good Jordan cards and they're like if you have a Jordan rookie, you're eating.
Speaker 3All right, dan, we can talk forever too.
Speaker 1I know, I know, I know, I know, this doesn't really seem like a podcast.
Speaker 3That was just us talking.
Speaker 1Yeah, yeah, that's how I like to do it too, and it seems like you guys do too.
Speaker 3So what's your social media All?
Speaker 1right. So I got it's going to be at Daily American Podcast. That's Instagram and then my podcast website's going to be dailyamericanpodcastcom and you know we're going to have to get this up on the website one way or another. Some of these episodes, but yeah, some traffic comes through, people listen through there, but it's not doing anything. No crazy numbers. I think, like you know, a couple thousand people reach hold on for a second.
Speaker 3I think Phillip wanted to say something about the all time leaders of scoring. I knew that's what you were doing. Well, he asked You're the king of stats. That's why.
Speaker 2I'm giving you props. Stats don't lie. It's fucking official. There's no made-up shit with people. He's better than him. Well, the stats say otherwise. This is just scoring.
Speaker 1That's what you asked. Yeah, but how many times is he shooting? You know there's so many variables.
Speaker 3Well, if that's the case, kobe Bryant is shooting. Kobe Bryant is shooting, god damn.
Speaker 1Kobe's number four. Kobe gets some more bonus points because he's you know, he's up there Because he's a gunner.
Speaker 2Because he's upstairs, because he's a gunner. Oh, you're showing him love because he's upstairs. The dude is a gunner.
Speaker 1You better come back.
Speaker 2I used to always tell Roy.
Speaker 1Oh, and I got these drones on.
Speaker 3I used to always tell Roy I like the Kobe's dad. What's the Kobe's dad of Kagan Clark, where those are fives or sixes? The Bruce Lee's?
Speaker 1I honestly don't know, I just know that they look decent on her.
Speaker 2Yeah, but I used to always say Kobe is nothing but a taller version of AI. Yeah, Because they shoot the ball 30 times to get you 30 points. That's like so inefficient.
Speaker 1You know what I mean? Yeah, but the excitement behind AI, he may have been one of the most exciting players ever to step foot on a court.
Speaker 2But he wasn't a winner. His team, who do you have?
Speaker 3I'm going with his team. Shit Boy, you got it, Eddie. I will say the same thing.
Speaker 1Yo, you know what else about AI 14, 14 years old, rode my biker, walked to the car wash, first job on paper W-2. And he comes through, him and Dikembe Mutombo came through because it's right there in the main line, near the Philly Country Club. There was a car wash right there. You know where I'm talking about, right where the Wawa's at in West Country Hocking. You go over the bridge right there. So Duke's Firehose it was called. So he rolls through in a Rolls Royce, I think a Phantom, and he's in the back seat suicide doors. He's got a Red Chiefs hat on with a white do-rag. He opens the door to say something I dried his car off, you know, probably saying like door jams or something Didn't tip. Dikembe slides through in a yellow H2. There's a 16 or year old girl. You couldn't tell she looked older, but he did tip and he got her number. Those are my two stories about those guys.
Speaker 2A lot of people say AI just was a jerk and didn't tip people.
Speaker 1See, that's crazy. He's a gambler too, man, you gotta know about karma. You gotta know about karma.
Speaker 2That've got to know about karma. That's why he wasn't tipping, because he was like fuck that I can use this tip money to gamble.
Speaker 3Now go ahead, dave. Finish your social media before Phil pays.
Speaker 1Yeah, yeah, that's pretty much it. Just Instagram and Facebook you can find me. Either are my name too, dan Cianci, I kind of, and both from the same thing, and that's pretty much it. My email info at dailyamericanpodcastcom.
Speaker 3All right, you can reach the Judgementals on Facebook, tiktok, Twitter at P&L Judgementals, instagram at the200scoresjudgmentals, or you can email us at pnljudgmentals at gmailcom. Sorry, yes, I remembered all that. I've done it a hundred times.
Speaker 1I just want to thank you guys for having me on today. Seriously, it's been a pleasure.
Speaker 2Yeah, this was cool.
Speaker 3Good catching up, man, yeah because it didn't really seem like it. It was just us talking pretty much and we ain't even getting like half of anything bro.
Speaker 1No, we got to do some more. I think we got to do some more.
Speaker 3We should go to the studio here. The studio ran out of corn, I don't know how much it is. I'm tired of recording this song.
Speaker 2I'm video recording, Alright then Alright, y'all Peace out.